Anybody who has spent vital time operating has doubtless skilled a circulate state—“getting within the zone”—the psychological expertise of deep presence and moment-to-moment immersion. Individuals usually report this state as in the event that they had been feeling a part of a rhythm. Whereas within the circulate state, runners recount getting a part of a music caught of their head. Generally it’s only a beat, generally even a single phrase.
For those who haven’t skilled this model of “circulate,” it doesn’t imply you’re doing something mistaken, however in case you have, you’re not alone. And whereas there’s no robust correlation or causation, there appears to be a substantial overlap between musicians and long-distance runners.
Maybe that’s as a result of the mind will get an identical response from operating and, say, taking part in the piano. Taking part in a musical instrument is the mind equal of a full-body exercise. Not like different actions that require intense mind work, like chess or puzzles, taking part in an instrument recruits virtually each a part of the mind, together with multi-sensory responses. Making music requires imaginative and prescient, sound, motion, and reminiscence, and related issues go on within the mind whereas operating.
Your Mind on Music
Dr. Amy Lauer is an Affiliate Professor of Psychology at Mount Mary College, holds a PhD in Neuroscience, and occurs to additionally path run and play the violin. She cites a 2016 examine from the College of Arizona to assist clarify mind exercise in runners and musicians. The examine appeared on the mind scans of 18- to 25-year-old cross-country runners, and a management group of adults of the identical age who hadn’t engaged in sustained moderate-to-vigorous bodily exercise for over a yr.
“Researchers centered on useful connectivity,” Lauer mentioned. “The best way our brains operate is thru totally different teams of neurons speaking to one another. So useful connectivity is connections between areas of the mind which can be geographically separate from one another, however functionally associated.”
Researchers checked out how the mind capabilities at a resting state. “Contributors had been advised to do nothing particularly, to calm down,” Lauer mentioned. “There are particular mind networks that kick in after we’re not doing something—after we’re mind-wandering, or imagining issues in regards to the future, or remembering issues from the previous. If we’re doing nothing, cognitively, there’s a mind community referred to as the default mode community that takes over.”
Different research present that actions equivalent to taking part in a musical instrument, which requires fine-tuned motor management, can alter mind connectivity and performance. However this investigation actually appeared on the impression that extra repetitive cardio train, like operating, has on mind construction and connectivity.
The findings of the 2016 examine counsel that each fine-tuned advanced motor actions (taking part in music) and endurance operating could promote related mind modifications. Within the runners, useful connectivity was a lot stronger than in non-runners, “just about throughout the board within the default mode community, in addition to motor networks,” Lauer mentioned. Higher useful connectivity typically helps an individual do issues like plan, make selections, and change simply between duties, so it is sensible that path runners do effectively with the problem-solving nature of the game.
To raised perceive this connection between operating and musical composition, listed below are three high musicians who’ve distinctive views on their very own experiences as path runners.

Ben Gibbard | Ultrarunner, Frontman for Demise Cab for Cutie and The Postal Service
Ben Gibbard, lead vocalist and guitarist for Demise Cab for Cutie—who simply launched their new album, “Asphalt Meadows”—additionally excels at ultra-distance path operating. Gibbard accomplished his first highway marathon in 2011 and rapidly switched to the paths and longer distances. Lately he takes on something between 50K and 100 miles.
For Gibbard, writing and taking part in music could be very totally different from path operating, however there are some vital overlaps. “For me, path operating or extremely operating is a spot the place I can escape to. I’m usually fascinated about music, however I’m not essentially composing music in my head,” says Gibbard. “To me, operating will get me away from the nervousness of creativity. My purpose as a runner is to present myself ample area and time away from artistic impulses.”
When Gibbard was first discovering his means as a musician, he remembers needing to always be engaged on music, or his expertise and inspiration may evaporate. Now he feels a lot in another way, that it’s essential to have diverse methods of being.
“I do suppose that writing could be very very similar to operating,” he says. “Writing something–definitely as a songwriter and musician–is a muscle that it’s worthwhile to train. For those who let these muscle tissue atrophy, it’ll take you some time to get again as much as the extent and the standard of labor that you simply had been in a position to do once you had been exercising these elements of your mind extra often.”
In that means, Gibbard thinks of constructing music as being similar to coaching as a runner. “For those who’re coaching for a 100-mile race and also you spend lots of hours within the mountains and also you’re feeling actually match, it would nonetheless be a problem, however you’ll have the ability to accomplish it. For those who simply get off the sofa and run 100 miles, you may have the ability to do it, however you’ll find yourself severely injured or it received’t be the expertise you most likely need.”
Gibbard sees similarities within the ardour of the music group, the place he discovered his begin, and the path and extremely operating group. “The strongest parallel between my profession as a musician and my love of path operating is that after I got here up as a musician, it was a really grassroots type of factor. When Demise Cab began, the concept you may make a residing taking part in music was laughable. There was nothing in regards to the fashion of music that we had been taking part in that telegraphed ‘you can also make a residing doing this.’ The early days of touring with the band, we had been taking part in small, all-ages exhibits, crashing on individuals’s flooring who got here to the present. It was this very community-oriented scene.”
When Gibbard first bought into path operating, he says it felt very related. “It felt like everyone was doing this for the love of doing it. There’s an identical ardour popping out of punk and impartial music circles that requires you to like what you’re doing, as a result of it’s not going to be simple, and it’s most likely not going to be profitable.”
It’s one of many issues that Gibbard loves most in regards to the sport—the shared ardour that fills the air. “Why else would we exit and spend 12 hours on a weekend operating within the mountains? As a result of we adore it — that’s the one cause we’re doing it. There’s no prize cash, there’s no glory. You’re doing it since you adore it.”
The targets Gibbard units in music, and in operating, sometimes mirror one another. “If you hear one thing new—a band or a music that feels acquainted, but additionally so contemporary and new, that’s a particular type of accomplishment, and it’s one thing that I’m at all times chasing. With operating, it’s related. It’s by no means going to be simple. Each time you do a race, particularly lengthy ones, you’re going to stumble throughout some downside that you need to remedy that you simply’ve by no means needed to remedy earlier than. That’s what retains me coming again to each.”
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Liz Derstine | Appalachian Path File Holder, Pianist, and Songwriter
Distance runner Liz Derstine, path title Mercury, is at present pursuing a Grasp of Music at Longy Faculty of Music of Bard School. She additionally holds FKTs on the Appalachian Path (ladies’s supported, northbound), Lengthy Path (ladies’s self-supported), and the Pinhoti Path (ladies’s self-supported). She just lately turned the final lady standing (4th general), after logging 109-miles, at Aravaipa Operating’s 2023 Final Individual Standing occasion.
Derstine can’t think about life with out music and operating. She began taking part in the piano when she was seven years previous. She took non-public classes via highschool and picked up different devices alongside the best way.
“I began to change into extra taken with rock and pop music within the late 90s,” says Derstine. “I picked up guitar, bass, fiddle, and mandolin.” She continued taking part in music via school and earned a BA in music with a efficiency piano focus. She then toured the world with RAC and bought a style of the rockstar life.
The factor that stored her grounded was operating. “I began operating the summer season earlier than my freshman yr of highschool. My dad steered that I be part of a sport as a result of it was a brand new college, and I believe he was apprehensive about me making associates. So I joined the cross-country and monitor group.” Derstine finds that the 2 passions maintain her balanced. “I finished operating for a number of years to concentrate on music throughout school, however then realized I actually missed it and was nonetheless type of doing it alone, so I joined my school cross-country and monitor group my senior yr.”

When Derstine completed competing on the school degree, she fell in love with path operating. “I began to actually nerd out on path operating,” she says. “Once I first started spending time on trails and fascinated about doing the Appalachian Path, that opened up an entire new can of worms.”
Derstine went to an Appalachian Path workshop led by Warren Doyle—well-known for having hiked the AT greater than anybody else—to be taught extra in regards to the route. Doyle provided to assist Derstine if she wished to go for a document. “I met [Doyle] out in New York—he was already serving to another hikers on a supported journey. He’d drop me off at first of the day, and we’d simply see what occurred—see how far I might go. I didn’t know something about extremely operating at that time.”
The primary day trip, Derstine began round midday and did 20 miles earlier than darkish. She felt good. “The subsequent day I began within the morning and did 40,” she says. “Then the third day and I did one other 40 miles and it was simply actually enjoyable. Doyle was having a good time assembly me at totally different highway crossings, and it was this pure enjoyable factor. I bought fully hooked.”
When Derstine determined to go for the AT document in July, 2020, music turned a part of her circulate state. “It actually was simply me in my head out within the woods.” Derstine bought right into a repetition and began creating melodies. “It simply type of occurred on this meditative state. I noticed these little melodies, which simply began to formulate in my head. They had been very repetitious, most likely as a result of what I used to be doing was very repetitious. I bear in mind all of it being an sudden a part of the journey.” As Derstine continued north, 4 or 5 melodies stored her firm, again and again. Nothing sophisticated, simply easy chords. She was averaging over 40 miles a day, topping out at 69 miles in in the future, sleeping lower than 4 hours an evening.
When she completed the path, she virtually instantly composed a set of songs for the piano. “After I completed the AT, I spent every week recovering in Philadelphia with my dad and mom. They’ve an condominium and a piano, and I bear in mind considering, ‘Boy, I’ve had these songs etched into my mind.’ I sat on the piano and made them into one thing a little bit extra cohesive.”
Derstine thinks of music and path operating as intertwined. She’s not always considering of music when she runs, neither is she longing to run when she’s making music, however they’re two equally necessary elements of her. Deep down, there’s one thing in regards to the two that’s very a lot the identical.

Kyle Richardson | Mountain Runner, Percussionist
Kyle Richardson is a Colorado-based skilled runner and mountain athlete who’s finest identified for his high-stakes, high-speed endurance feats within the Rocky Mountains. He’s additionally a formally skilled musician who has created percussion soundtracks for varied movies and model companions. For Richardson, all of life is rhythm, repetition, and beat. Like Gibbard and Derstine, he doesn’t actively try and compose music whereas he’s on the paths, however he’s conscious of how rhythmic operating might be. It suits into how he thinks.
“Numerous instances I’ll give it some thought on the downhills, the place I can let unfastened a little bit bit extra and faucet into a number of the extra playful rhythmic type of stuff,” says Richardson.
Richardson thinks about operating and music in related methods due to the repetition mandatory for each. He’s the type of one who doesn’t get bored operating the identical path over and over, or taking part in the identical music on repeat till he’s mastered it.
“Taking part in percussion requires lots of repetition to construct your ability set and be taught the rudiments,” he says. “It’s all about simply doing it over and over and over with the metronome. You’re at all times making an attempt to succeed in a state of perfection, which is admittedly laborious to realize.”
For Richardson, it’s the identical on the paths. “My mind works the identical means with operating. I run the identical mountain each day. There’s one thing in regards to the stability of doing the identical factor that permits me to trace my progress. I really feel like I can dive into the nuances of learn how to be extra environment friendly.” As soon as Richardson is aware of a music or a path intimately, then he can have enjoyable with the main points—how he’s holding a drumstick, how rapidly he takes a activate the path.
Richardson simply launched his second movie, “Tempo II — Actions within the Jungle,” which mixes operating and music in Brazil. In Tempo, the primary movie, Richardson was the primary character, and it was set within the Flatirons of Boulder, Colorado. However within the second movie, the main focus is on different characters, and the sentiments all of us get after we’re out on the paths. “It’s all in regards to the emotions that we get after we’re out in these wild locations after which, too, the sentiments we get after we’re taking part in music,” he says.
Useful Connectivity and Artistic Stream
Gibbard, Derstine, and Richardson all acknowledged that it’s troublesome for them to show their brains off—to assign actual psychological relaxation. Their do-nothing state is often full of ideas, and never essentially as a result of they’re artistic geniuses who’re always composing and orchestrating, however as a result of their brains appear used to near-constant problem-solving.
One factor Dr. Amy Lauer finds attention-grabbing is that it’s unclear whether or not music and operating create useful connectivity, or if persons are born with it. “What you may by no means inform from these sorts of mind imaging research is whether or not it’s the doing of the music and the operating that has brought about the modifications in useful connectivity, or if these individuals had been born with brains which can be simply functionally extra linked, and that’s why they occur to be drawn to music and operating.”
Lauer can be fast to keep away from generalizations. Whereas there’s attention-grabbing overlap in musicians who excel at path operating, there are many path runners who’ve little interest in music. “What number of extremely runners on the market don’t have any musical potential in anyway?” She says. “Clearly there’s some overlap right here [between musicians and runners]. However we have to be cognizant of the remainder of the Venn diagram.” In different phrases, there are some attention-grabbing research and findings, however nothing extremely conclusive about runner brains or musician brains.
In some ways, all the things we face in life might be thought of a “downside,” a phrase that loses its damaging connotation if we take into consideration the artistic means of fixing that downside. For a lot of path runners and musicians, residing in the issue — within the circulate — is about pretty much as good because it will get. Practising again and again, in barely alternative ways. Flexing the mind in order that it learns learn how to join and carry out even higher. Whether or not it’s via rhythm, melody, or tempo, the mind’s potential to be taught and direct us is limitless.